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Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:53 am
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Post subject: Listing of Rajakar in Bangladesh. Reply with quote

Long pending job now hopefully taken into consideration to listing out Rajakar in Bangladesh which help to resolve current controversy in politic.
Read this news in http://bhorerkagoj.net/online/news.php?id=3985&sys=1
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Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:40 pm
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Post subject: Which one more importat, list of rajakar or list of Shahid? Reply with quote

It seams to me that we are more aggressive to hate rajakar than love Shahid who sacrificed their life for the nation. I think a list of Shahid is more important than the list of rajakar so that we can give honor to them. But we can not create that list and still looking for list of rajakar to hate them. We already say much more about rajakar but can't protect them. Do you think the supporter of Jamat and BNP don't know about their leader? So what can we do with this list? Just more publicity for rajakar, nothing else.

I think this types of negative thinking create more controversy in politics.
So, before making a list of rajakar we must make a list of Shahid. But there is a problem, if we work on this, we will find the number of shahid is less than 2 lacks and all our national leaders specially AL leaders become national liar (who are saying 30 lacks Shahid for thousands time). For this reason AL leader, supporter and media never highlight this issue. But we have to say the truth and learn about the character of our leaders who can tel lie even about our Shahid.




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Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:28 am
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What is problem? Afraid reveal the name of Razakar in Bangladesh. List out of Shahid is also good idea. I like it. Why do you think list out razakar is negative thinking rather people know the true historical fact? Do you have any objection?
One more thing, if our casualties are less then expected in the Liberation War. Is there any different value of liberation war? Rather we the Bangladeshi should more gratitude toward our founding fathers, under their leadership we won independent with less casualties then predicted number. It is not shame or fault for the nation. It is our proud that founding fathers have saved more life to won our independent then was predicted before. It would be great if there were no casualties to won liberation war?
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:52 am
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I think Mr. Miqbal has some mental problem. He always try to save anti libaration force tactfully. Someday ago he tried to prove that it will be big mistake if we admir Bongobondo Sheikh Mujibor rahman as a father of our nation. Here is the link of that post http://www.bddiscussion.com/viewtopic.php?t=226

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Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:41 pm
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chatty wrote:
I think Mr. Miqbal has some mental problem. He always try to save anti liberation force tactfully. Someday ago he tried to prove that it will be big mistake if we admire Bongobondo Sheikh Mujibor rahman as a father of our nation. Here is the link of that post http://www.bddiscussion.com/viewtopic.php?t=226

Shame!!!!!


If you think i have menter problem then i am very sorry to say that maximum people in Bangladesh have this problem because they thinks in my way. Only AL supporters can not understand the truth and quarrel with me about my thinking. I just ask the simple question - Sk. Mujib will be father of which nation? If you know the answer, please write here with your logic.

Listing of Rajaker seems to me less important than the list of shahid. And it's negative in the sence that it only create shame to us. We can only spread hate (GHRINA) to them. But if we get the list of Shahid we can love them. I think love is positive and hate is negative. By spreading hate without love you can not build a nation. We alrady spread much more hate to rajakars but can we protect them? People of Bangladesh vote a person by knowing that he was rajakar because the meaning of rajakar has changed by over use. I always says, if any one have any prof about rajakari of any person he or she should submit that on court and punish them by law. But use of anti-rajakar sentiment in politics can never protect them. Listing of rajakar is another political activity and it never bring anything good to the country.




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Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:08 pm
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Mumith wrote:
What is problem? Afraid reveal the name of Razakar in Bangladesh. List out of Shahid is also good idea. I like it. Why do you think list out razakar is negative thinking rather people know the true historical fact? Do you have any objection?
One more thing, if our casualties are less then expected in the Liberation War. Is there any different value of liberation war? Rather we the Bangladeshi should more gratitude toward our founding fathers, under their leadership we won independent with less casualties then predicted number. It is not shame or fault for the nation. It is our proud that founding fathers have saved more life to won our independent then was predicted before. It would be great if there were no casualties to won liberation war?
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For your kind information, the number of shahid was declared after liberation ware and it was not a prediction. Yes, i agree that it will be great if there ware no casualties, then the question arises why our leaders increase the number by more than ten times? If it was a mistake as early prediction then why didn't they say the truth when the found that? Why didn't they make a list of all shahid in their first four hours ruling period? If they have any responsibility to our Shahid, then why they use the false number thousand time in their speech?




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Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:27 pm
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Do you know how many people died in World War II? Is it listed out all names? You may challenge in number but can not omit the even and the fact of causalities. How do you know numbers of causalities in liberation war in Bangladesh were less (10 times)? It may more. If you do not have correct figure in hand currently and you only assumption that figure could be less. On this basis, you can not blame founding fathers and AL leader so desperately. It seems to me that your mind is set up to blame to AL at all cost. This is common character of most of so-called educated Bangladeshi people blaming other political party/leaders that are not my choice. Why do you think list of rajakar spread hated and without list of rajakar give harmony in the society? It seems to me that you are so concern to hide list of rajakar and tactics to derives focus on other issue like by telling causalities list (Now found important when declare to list out rajakar) and numbers of causalities could be 10 times less only purpose to blame founding fathers and AL party. I would be very happy if both the list possibly could publish. We have right to know all good and bad facts of event during our liberation war. All our failure and success must record. For you information valuation of liberation war remains same either causalities in 3 million or 3 hundred thousand. We won liberation war. Bangladesh is free and Independent country. We should respect our national leaders not degraded who achieved our independents despite of casualties. Mass people of Bangladeshi fought for liberation war under leadership of political party AL.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:46 am
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Mumith wrote:
Do you know how many people died in World War II? Is it listed out all names? You may challenge in number but can not omit the even and the fact of causalities. How do you know numbers of causalities in liberation war in Bangladesh were less (10 times)? It may more. If you do not have correct figure in hand currently and you only assumption that figure could be less. On this basis, you can not blame founding fathers and AL leader so desperately. It seems to me that your mind is set up to blame to AL at all cost. This is common character of most of so-called educated Bangladeshi people blaming other political party/leaders that are not my choice. Why do you think list of rajakar spread hated and without list of rajakar give harmony in the society? It seems to me that you are so concern to hide list of rajakar and tactics to derives focus on other issue like by telling causalities list (Now found important when declare to list out rajakar) and numbers of causalities could be 10 times less only purpose to blame founding fathers and AL party. I would be very happy if both the list possibly could publish. We have right to know all good and bad facts of event during our liberation war. All our failure and success must record. For you information valuation of liberation war remains same either causalities in 3 million or 3 hundred thousand. We won liberation war. Bangladesh is free and Independent country. We should respect our national leaders not degraded who achieved our independents despite of casualties. Mass people of Bangladeshi fought for liberation war under leadership of political party AL.
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Yes Mr. Mumith, i agree with you that we must have both the list and i think we should give priority to the list of shahid over that of rajakar because good things must have more priority than worst.
But i am sorry to deny some of your thinking -
1. Founder Father: You coated founder father and may indicate Sk. Mujib as founder father. But most of the Bangladeshi and Bangali people don't believe him as Founder father except AL supporters. If you want to know details about it please read all articles attached in my topic :http://www.bddiscussion.com/viewtopic.php?t=226

2. You said our liberation war was lead by AL. But we know it's the habit of AL supporters to demand full creditability of independence denying all others contributions. In fact AL starts the movement for liberation but not lead the war. Just answer these two simple question - How many sector commanders of liberation war were from AL party? and how may AL top level leaders ( Specially member of presidium of present AL) participate in the war? If you investigate you will find that the participation of AL leaders in the war is very poor. Most of them were in India at that time.

Finally, yes i want to blame AL leaders by all the way to destroy our country with their wrong and India biased leadership. By their Bangali nationality they want to make us equal (or minor) to the people of West Bengal, but we are indipendent nation and much much better than them who have no emotion to be independent from India and join with us to build a big Bangali country. If they can not change their character then in future most of the Bangladeshi people will blame them to destroy such an old and popular party.




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Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:05 pm
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West bengal and bangladesh together build this bangali nation-no doubt about this. In the BBC the people of west bangal also voted for Bongobondo as best bangali. So why you have so problem in admiring him as the father of nation.
Another thing is, there are lots of uniformities between that bangla and this bangla. Who can say, one day this two bangla may form a bigger Bangla. (aper bangla opar bangla ek bangla , ek bangla)




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Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:15 pm
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1. Founding fathers are those leaders of AL who are the architect of Independent of Bangladesh. Motivated us to support them and involved in liberation war.
2. The then AL leaders motivate all people of Bangladesh regardless of party line. Every Bangladeshi who loves for freedom and dignity gathered under leadership of AL
3. During liberation war all people accept one party leadership that is AL and fought together for Independent. You can not deny the fact. You have right to criticize political party, but you can not deny the fact and you should not try to hide the fact. We all have different opinions that are good for political development but trying to denying fact is not good at all. It seems to me that you are in the later category. Muslim league party is founder of Pakistan and AL party is founder of Bangladesh. It is fact no doubt no debate on the issue.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:47 am
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Mumith wrote:
1. Founding fathers are those leaders of AL who are the architect of Independent of Bangladesh. Motivated us to support them and involved in liberation war.
2. The then AL leaders motivate all people of Bangladesh regardless of party line. Every Bangladeshi who loves for freedom and dignity gathered under leadership of AL
3. During liberation war all people accept one party leadership that is AL and fought together for Independent. You can not deny the fact. You have right to criticize political party, but you can not deny the fact and you should not try to hide the fact. We all have different opinions that are good for political development but trying to denying fact is not good at all. It seems to me that you are in the later category. Muslim league party is founder of Pakistan and AL party is founder of Bangladesh. It is fact no doubt no debate on the issue.
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4. One simple question for you, now a day we see in the news paper very powerful political leaders are arrested for corruptions. People support this action. Can you tell me who deserve credit for this action when you write history? Either police constable who was actually in the field to arrest person or person who make policy to implement this action? Both do the good job. Who are most responsible?
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:17 am
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Yes, Mr. Mumith I always give credit to AL for starting the liberation movement that carried to win by all the people of Bangladesh. And according to your 4th logic you must agree that Sk. Hasina is the first responsible to kill people on 28th October 2006 by LOGI & BAITHA. Because she ordered her worker to come with those weapon to kill their opponent. Do you agree with me?




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Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:36 am
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It seems very interesting debate on current issues. Yes Mr. Miqbal, Hasina will be guilty if it is found in investigation. How u be sure from the beginning. If she is proved as guilty she should be punished. But we have to wait until it is not proved




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Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:43 am
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Does anybody know here if Shayok Abdur rahman killed anybody himself?. As far I know abdur rahman did not kill anybody himself. He just made the order. Only for this order he was hanged. I do not find any difference between the order of Hasina and abdur rahman




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Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:24 pm
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It seems very interesting debate on current issues. Yes Mr. Miqbal, Hasina will be guilty if it is found in investigation. How u be sure from the beginning. If she is proved as guilty she should be punished. But we have to wait until it is not proved


Yes, when it comes for Sk. Hasina you said to wait for investigation and proof. But when it comes for Tareq Zia or other BNP leader all we blame them from very beginning without waiting form judgment. Specially Sk. Hasina called them CHORE directly in her speech and no one from AL disagree with that. This is the special character of AL leaders.




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